Vinča civilization 6th to the 3rd millennium BC, Vinca archaeological site

Before Sumer, Crete or the Maltese civilisation, there was “Old Europe”, or the Vinca culture… a forgotten, rather than lost civilisation that lies at the true origin of most of our ancient civilisations. –  Philip Coppens

There are lost civilisations, and then there are forgotten civilisations. From the 6th to the 3rd millennium BC, the so-called “Vinca culture” stretched for hundreds of miles along the river Danube, in what is now Serbia, Romania, Bulgaria and the Republic of Macedonia, with traces all around the Balkans, parts of Central Europe and Asia Minor, and even Western Europe.

Photo: The Birgmingham Post, 1929. on Viča discovery

Few, if any, have heard of this culture, though they have seen some of their artefacts. They are the infamous statues found in Sumer, where authors such as Zecharia Sitchin have labelled them as “extra-terrestrial”, seeing that the shapes of these beings can hardly be classified as typically human. So why was it that few have seen (or were aware of) their true origin?

The person largely responsible for the isolation of the Vinca culture was the great authority on late prehistoric Europe, Vere Gordon Childe (1892-1957). He was a synthesiser of various archaeological discoveries and tried to create an all-encompassing framework, creating such terms as “Neolithic Revolution” and “Urban Revolution”. In his synthesis, he perceived the Vinca culture as an outlying cultural entity influenced by more “civilised” forces. His dogmatic stance and clout meant that the Vinca culture received only scant attention. Originally, interest in the signs found on pottery had created interest in some academic circles, but that now faded following Childe’s “papal bull”.

Interest was rekindled in the 1960s (following the death of Childe), largely due to a new discovery made in 1961 by Dr. N. Vlassa, while excavating the Transylvanian site of Tartaria, part of Vinca culture. Amongst various artefacts recovered were three clay tablets, which he had analysed with the then newly introduced radiocarbon dating methodology. The artefacts came back as ca. 4000 BC and were used by the new methodology’s detractors to argue that radio carbon-dating was obviously erroneous. How could it be “that” old?

Traditionally, the Sumerian site of Uruk had been dated to 3500-3200 BC. Vlassa’s discovery was initially (before the carbon dating results) further confirmation that the “Vinca Culture” had strong parallels with Sumer. Everyone agreed that the Sumerians had influenced Vinca Culture (and the site of Tartaria), which had therefore been assigned a date of 2900-2600 BC (by the traditional, comparative methodology, which relied on archaeologists’ logic, rather than hard scientific evidence). Sinclair Hood suggested that Sumerian prospectors had been drawn by the gold-bearing deposits in the Transylvanian region, resulting in these off-shoot cultures.

But if the carbon dating results were correct, then Tartaria was 4000 BC, which meant that the Vinca Culture was older than Sumer, or Sumer was at least a millennium older than what archaeologists had so far assumed. Either way, archaeology would be in a complete state of disarray and either some or all archaeologists would be wrong. Voila, the reason as to why radio carbon dating was attacked, rather than merely revising erroneous timelines and opinions.

There is no debate about it: the artefacts from the Vinca culture and Sumer are very much alike. And it is just not some pottery and artefacts: they share a script that seems highly identical too. In fact, the little interest that had been shown in the Vinca culture before the 1960s all revolved around their script. Vlassa’s discovery only seemed to confirm this conclusion, as he too immediately stated that the writing had to be influenced by the Near East. Everyone, including Sinclair Hood and Adam Falkenstein, agreed that the two scripts were related and Hood also saw a link with Crete. Finally, the Hungarian scholar Janos Makkay stated that the “Mesopotamian origin [of the Tartaria pictographs] is beyond doubt.” It seemed done and dusted.

But when the Vinca Culture suddenly predated Sumer, this thesis could no longer be maintained (as it would break the archaeological framework, largely put in place by Childe and his peers), and thus, today, the status is that both scripts developed independently. Of course, we should wonder whether this is just another attempt to save reputations and whether in the following decades, the stance will finally be reversed, which would mean that the Vinca Culture is actually at the origin of the Sumerian civilisation… a suggestion we will return to shortly.

But what is the Vinca Culture? In 1908, the largest prehistoric and most comprehensively excavated Neolithic settlement in Europe was discovered in the village of Vinca, just 14 km downstream from the Serbian capital Belgrade, on the shores of the Danube. The discovery was made by a team led by Miloje M. Vasic, the first schooled archaeologist in Serbia.

Vinca was excavated between 1918 and 1934 and was revealed as a civilisation in its own right: a forgotten civilisation, which Marija Gimbutas would later call “Old Europe”. Indeed, as early as the 6th millennium BC, three millennia before Dynastic Egypt, the Vinca culture was already a genuine civilisation. Yes, it was a civilisation: a typical town consisted of houses with complex architectural layouts and several rooms, built of wood that was covered in mud. The houses sat along streets, thus making Vinca the first urban settlement in Europe, but equally being older than the cities of Mesopotamia and Egypt. And the town of Vinca itself was just one of several metropolises, with others at Divostin, Potporanj, Selevac, Plocnik and Predionica. Maria Gimbutas concluded that “in the 5th and early 4th millennia BC, just before its demise in east-central Europe, Old Europeans had towns with a considerable concentration of population, temples several stories high, a sacred script, spacious houses of four or five rooms, professional ceramicists, weavers, copper and gold metallurgists, and other artisans producing a range of sophisticated goods. A flourishing network of trade routes existed that circulated items such as obsidian, shells, marble, copper, and salt over hundreds of kilometres.”

Everything about “Old Europe” is indeed older than anything else in Europe or the Near East. To return to their script. Gimbutas had a go at trying to translate it and called it the “language of the goddess”. She based her work on that of Shan Winn, who had completed the largest catalogue of Vinca signs to date. He narrowed the number of signs down to 210, stating that most of the signs were composed of straight lines and were rectilinear in shape. Only a minority had curved lines, which was perhaps due to the difficulty of curved carving on the clay surface. In a final synthesis, he concluded that all Vinca signs were found to be constructed out of five core signs:

– a straight line;

– two lines that intersect at the centre;

– two lines that intersect at one end;

– a dot;

– a curved line.

Winn however did not consider this script to be writing, as even the most complex examples were not “texts”; he thus labelled them “pre-writing”, though Gimbutas would later claim they were indeed “writing”. Still, everyone is in agreement that the culture did not have texts as that which was written was too short in length to be a story, or an account of a historical event. So what was it?

In Sumer, the development of writing has been pinned down as a result from economical factors that required “record keeping”. For the Vinca Culture, the origin of the signs is accepted as having been derived from religious rather than material concerns. In short, the longest groups of signs are thus considered to be a kind of magical formulae.

The Vinca Culture was also millennia ahead of the status quo on mining. At the time, mining was thought not to predate 4000 BC, though in recent years, examples of as far back as 70,000 years ago have been discovered. The copper mine at Rudna Glava, 140 km east of Belgrade, is at least 7000 years old and had vertical shafts going as deep as twenty metres and at the time of its discovery was again extremely controversial.

Further insights into “Old Europe” came about in November 2007, when it was announced that excavations at an ancient settlement in southern Serbia had revealed the presence of a furnace, used for melting metal. The furnace had tools in it: a copper chisel and a two-headed hammer and axe. Most importantly, several of the metal objects that were made here, were recovered from the site.

The excavation also uncovered a series of statues. Archaeologist Julka Kuzmanovic-Cvetkovic observed that “according to the figurines we found, young women were beautifully dressed, like today’s girls in short tops and mini skirts, and wore bracelets around their arms.”

The unnamed tribe who lived between 5400 and 4700 BC in the 120-hectare site at what is now Plocnik knew about trade, handcrafts, art and metallurgy. The excavation also provided further insights into Old Europe: for example, near the settlement, a thermal well might be evidence of Europe’s oldest spa. Houses had stoves and there were special holes for trash, while the dead were buried in a tidy necropolis. People slept on woollen mats and fur, made clothes of wool, flax and leather, and kept animals. The community was also especially fond of children: artefacts that were recovered included toys such as animals and rattles of clay, and small, clumsily crafted pots apparently made by children at playtime.

It is but two examples that underline that Old Europe was a civilisation millennia ahead of its neighbours. And Old Europe is a forgotten culture, as Richard Rudgeley has argued: “Old Europe was the precursor of many later cultural developments and […] the ancestral civilisation, rather than being lost beneath the waves through some cataclysmic geological event, was lost beneath the waves of invading tribes from the east.” Indeed, Rudgeley argued that when confronted with the “sudden arrival” of civilisation in Sumer or elsewhere, we should not look towards extra-terrestrial civilisation, nor Atlantis, but instead to “Old Europe”, a civilisation which the world seems intent on disregarding… and we can only wonder why.

“Civilisation” in Sumer was defined as the cultivation of crops and domestication of animals, with humans living a largely sedentary life, mostly in village or towns, with a type of central authority. With that definition of civilisation, it is clear that it did not begin in Sumer, but in Old Europe. Old Europe was a Neolithic civilisation, living of agriculture and the breeding of domestic animals. The most frequent domestic animals were cattle, although smaller goats, sheep and pigs were also bred. They also cultivated the most fertile prehistoric grain species. There was even a merchant economy: a surplus of products led to the development of trade with neighbouring regions, which supplied salt, obsidian or ornamental shells.

In fact, they were not actually a “Neolithic civilisation” – they were even further ahead of the times: in the region of Eastern Serbia, at Bele Vode and (the already discussed) Rudna Glava, in crevices and natural caves, the settlers of Vinca came in contact with copper ore which they began fashioning with fire, initially only for ornamental objects (beads and bracelets). They were more “Bronze Age” than “Stone Age”… this at a time when the rest of Europe and the Near East was not even a “Stone Age civilisation”.

The most shoking discovery occured when three clay tablets containing Sumerian pictographic writing, made with local clay , but at least 2,500 years older than the oldest tablets found in Mesopotamia , are found in a region where the surrounding cities have Sumerian names , URASTIE , SIMERIA , KUGIR ? Is it impossible that Sumerian groups have migrated as far north as the western present-day Rumania, because at that time they did not exist!

Today the Tartaria tablets are included in the “Vinca” culture. Being familiar not only with Maria Gimbutas’s remarkable work and Milton McChesney Winn 1973 University of California Los Angeles, but also with Ryan and Pitman reechoes, the conclusion is that these three clay tablets are a pre- Sumerian writing, make sense.


Comfirmed: The Oldest Hoard Of Jewelry Yet Found In Europe, 8000 Years Old From Serbia

Jewelry and female figurines from Belica, Serbia, to be exhibited for the first time at Tübingen University Museum.

Archeologists from the University of Tübingen’s Institute of Prehistory are working with the Serbian Archeological Institute in Belgrade to analyze the most comprehensive Early Neolithic hoard ever found. Work on the nearly 8000 year old collection of jewelry and figurines is funded by the Thyssen Foundation.

Belica hoard, two views of a stylized woman (serpentinite)
Photos: Nebosja Boric, Belgrade
The unique hoard is comprised of some 80 objects made of stone, clay and bone. “This collection from Belica, in all its completeness, provides a unique glimpse into the symbols of the earliest farmers and herdsmen in Europe,” says Tübingen archeologist Dr. Raiko Krauss, who heads the German side of the project.The objects include stylized female figures, parts of the human body, as well as miniature axes and abstract figures. Much attention has been given to the rotund female figures of water-smoothed stone given human features by human hands. Were they idols, lucky charms or fertility symbols? Their purpose is unknown.

Belica hoard, two views of a representation of the sickle moon (serpentinite)
Photos: Nebosja Boric, Belgrade
The stone objects are mainly of serpentinite from an ophiolite belt running some 40km west of the Belica site. The rock was washed out of the mountains and worn smooth by rivers and streams. Neolithic artists then selected the pebbles they wanted from the valleys.Archeologists mapped the outline of an Early Neolithic settlement in June of this year using the distribution of finds on the surface as a guide. In the middle, they found the largely undisturbed hoard. Using modern geophysical prospection methods, they were able to bring buried parts of the set-tlement to light during summer excavations.

“Important finds like this should be prominently displayed in the Serbian National Museum,” says Krauss of the hoard. “But the National Museum in Belgrade has been closed since the civil war.” So Krauss is working with his Serbian colleagues on an exhibition at the University of Tübingen Museum in Hohentübingen Castle. The modern world will first get to see the Belica hoard there in the winter semester of 2013/14. The hoard, and the results of the current investigation, are to be published in German and Serbian.

Contacts and sources:
Universitaet Tübingen;

Balkans and the nations

In these turbulent times when the Great lie rules the world, starts war, establishes morals  it’s very important to fight the lie whenever it appears. No matter what, whether is serves to justify wars, or to start it (WMD, ‘genocide’, ‘humanism’), or even the silliest lies concerning  national origin.

Wikipedia – the silliest and thus perfect murderer of the truth where every fact which doesn’t suit imperial interest is simply turned upside down. So victims often become villains, historic battles are invented, the whole history has been degraded into fairy tales created for a fast consumption and turned into NATO allies ‘wannabe’ or the 5 cent stories.  Everyone writes, everyone publishes, everyone’s historian – but no history. It got scared and scandalized because every filthy hand dares to change her essence.
The worst offenders of the history appeared to be the new engineered or designed nations, who are trying to prove that they are the direct sons of the Noah from the Arc, of course with support of quasi intellectuals and bribed ‘researchers’ or ‘authors’ (Anna Di Lelio, for ex).  So it’s time to respond.

Therefore, as for the Balkan peninsula and the Albanian right on it, let’s see what various, serious and non quasi instant historians say:
Albanians originally came from the Caucasus, where the Caucasian Albania was located: on the eastern slopes of the mountains and the Caspian Sea, in province Sirvan, located in modern Azerbaijan and Dagestan.
The Alana country as located Northern of the Albania, north-west were the Iberians, and on the west and south of the river Kur the Armenians were inhabited.
There was a city called on Albana on the shores of the Caspian Sea, between modern cities Divcija and Derbent. By the name of this town the country its hinterland was named Albania.

Caucasian Albania was very rocky and poor country and therefore not attractive for invaders. During the century the Arabs conquered the territories around the Caspian Sea and beyond the Caucasus. The local indigenous people have converted to Islam and fought alongside with the Ottoman troops against the Christians.
The recent archaeologists findings in Azerbaijan proved that Albanians originally in pre Ottoman expansion, existed there.,387/
Frequent battles between the Arabs and Ottomans as the representatives of invading Islam on one side, and Romei, (Byzantium) as the representative of Christianity, took place in the Mediterranean basin. Arabs conquered a great part of Romeian (Byzantium) Sicily and the southern part of Italy, and remained there from the 827th to 878th year. (Sicily was divided into two parts, Muslim and Christian, and hence the name Two Sicilies. )
When the Byzantines took over the Arab part of the island, they found there also a considerable number of islamized Albanians. (Most of them have returned back to Christianity.)
Ancient Illirians have nothing to do with the Albanians. Albanian lie concerning their origin (widespread by the globalist media and bribed scientists) has nothing to do with the truth.


Le Destan D’Umur Pacha (The Epic of Umur Pasha) – The Ottoman Chronicle part of the ‘Enveria’, describes an Ottoman warrior, Umur Pasha and his battles in the Byzantine lands.

E. Kirsten, Die Byzantinische Stadt, Berichte zum XI Intern. Byz. – Kongress, Munchen 1958.

Fyodor Uspenski , History of the Byzantine Empire: 324 – 1453., Buzantine and the Slavs

P.N. Papageorgiou B.Z. 3 (1894), Loeneritz, M. Paleologue et D.Cydones 278, Lemerle, Philippes 214, sq,

George Ostrogorsky, History of the Byzantine Emporium, (Byzantine in Asia minor,
Byzantine and Slavs in Balkan) 

The Serbs and Byzantium during the reign of Tsar Stephen Dušan (1331-1355) and his successors,  by George Christos Soulis

Byzantine Civilisation – Steven Runciman

The battle of Kosovo: a reconsideration of its significance in the decline of medieval Serbia – Thomas Allan Emmert, Stanford University, 1973  


DNA STUDIES ON THE FIELD HAVE PROVEN SOMETHING: A Few thoughts about racial make up of Albania:

Albania also has a total of 19% of Eu-19, thus blond and blue eyed individuals obviously exist in Albania as well.

All this talk about blond and blue-eyed individuals is because the Albanians appear to think that only such people are truly “white”, which of course is not the case.

So, again depending on the example taken, any national of the above countries could qualify as being ” whiter” than any other national of the above countries.

Making claims that the Albanians are more racially pure than the Italians, the Spanish, the Greeks, and the Portuguese however, is false, because as we have seen above, the Albanian people had received the more substantial influx of Turkik-Middle Eastern blood in the Balkans.

——>Eu9-10-11 (Turkey & Middle-East)a. Turkey and the Middle-Eastern countries share a common large percentage of the Eu9-Eu10-Eu11 gene group. [red] To be more precise, Turkey has 49.9%, Syria has 45%, and Lebanon has 48.3. Albania has 29.5%, and Greece has 24.9%. The Eu9-10-11 group is virtually non-existent in Western and Northern Europe.In short terms, Albanians have a substantial percentage of a common Middle-Eastern trait in their blood, courtesy of the Turco-Arabs no doubt, which is greater than the percentage the Greeks have by a substantial margin.

Thus it can be inferred from the above that, the Albanian Nation is the most racially akin nation to the Turks and the Middle-Eastern ” Arabs” in South-Eastern Europe.

That is undoubtedly because, after the death of George Castriotes a substantial percentage of the Albanian population was converted to Islam, and further, because Albania gave to the Ottoman Empire many of its officials, Grand Viziers, and soldiers, it was considered to be in all respects the most important Ottoman/Turkik outpost in the midst of Christian South-Eastern Europe.

Thus the Albanians racially mixed freely with the Turks, a fact that is evident in their present-day genetic makeup, even if they were quite distanced geographically from Turkik Anatolia.


——-> Albanians are the most racially akin nation to the Turks and the Arabs of the Middle East in South-Eastern Europe, because they have the largest percentage of Eu9-Eu10-Eu11.

——–> Although there are undoubtedly a few outstanding individuals in Albania, somewhat resembling the Central and Northern Europeans in terms of outward appearance, they are I think the minority, and the exception that proves the rule rather than constituting the rule itself.

——–> Taking as an example those few Albanians who have a greater percentage of Germano-Slavic heritage and trying to convince people that most Albanians are like them, is absurd.

c. A few thoughts on the racial makeup of Greece and the rest of the European Mediterranean countries:

On the contrary, the Greeks that retained their religion, even if bordering with Turkey, succeded in receiving less Turkik Middle-Eastern blood, but still they have almost a quarter, that is 24.9%.

Having been to Italy and Greece for vacations and some amateur historical research in the past, I have seen quite a few blond and blue-eyed Greeks, especially in Thessalonica. On my asking where they come from, they would say that they came from some region in Greek Macedonia, or Thessaly, Sterea Hellas, and Crete. Pelloponesian blond & blue-eyed people a few and far between it seems.

Given the fact that the Greeks appear to have 20% percent of Germanic/Slavic blood, it is obvious that such people exist in Greece, although it can’t be said that they are all Slavic in heritage, nor that they are the majority. Ancient Greek history contains quite a few examples of blond & blue-eyed individuals, like Alcibiades the Athenian, Pericles the Athenian, Menelaus the Spartan, Agamemnon the Mycenean, Achilles the Thessalian, King Pyrrus of Epirus, King Alexander the Great of Macedonia, and so on.

It is almost certain that the genetic makeup of the Ancient Greeks differs substantially from the one we see today.

i. Roman/Latin & Euro-Celtic EU18 the predominant common genetic trait amongst the Greeks

In any case, the Greeks differ substantially from the Albanians, in that the predominant genetic influence in their blood, is the Western European Roman/Latin & Celtic EU 18, whereas in the case of Albanians it was the Turkik-Middle Eastern Eu9-10-11.

——->EU 18 

c. The Eu18 genetical trait is very common in Western and North Western Europe [Non-Germanic Europe for the most part]. It could be said that it 
marks the expansion of the Roman Empire on the European Celtic areas.

The Eu18, is virtually non-existent in Turkey and the Middle East.

Albania has 17.6% and Greece has 27.6% 

Calabria [Magna Grecia] has 32.6%, Central & Northern Italia has 62%, France has 52.2%, and Holland has a staggering 70.4%.

Greece has one of the highest percentage of EU 18 outside of Italy in Eastern Europe, excluding perhaps Romania.Given the fact that it is known from history that the IE Latins and the IE Hellenes invaded the Greek and Italian peninsulas respectively, roughly in the same time frame, it would appear that these two IE people share a common genetic heritage [EU 18], which could explain the many similarities in religion, language, and culture.SUMMARY:
—————————-> The most substantial common genetic trait of Modern Greeks, is the Roman/Latin & Euro-Celtic EU18.ii. EU9-10-11 
——————————————————The second largest influence in the Greek Genetic Pool, is the common in the Mid-East and Turkey Eu9-10-11. To be more precise 24.9%.What is truly amazing here, is that contrary to the popular opinion, Greece does not have that much Eu9-10-11 considering its geographic location and its occupation by the Turks.

———>This should be attributed undoubtedly, to the indomitable spirit of the Greek people, which clung to their traditions, history and religion as much as possible, thus effectively reducing the Turco-Arabic influence as much as possible.

In the above connection, regions located to the west of Greece appear to have received a larger influx of Middle Eastern genetic traits:

-Calabria [ITA-Magna Graecia] 40.4%

-Central & Northern Italians, appear to have nearly the same percentage of Mid-Eastern genetic traits as the Greeks: 24.0% (another amazing similarity between the two peoples).

-Catalanians [ES] have 12.5%

-Georgians [former SU] have a staggering 67.3%, that makes them the closest blood relatives to the Turks who have 50%.

Some Slavic Peoples: Yugoslavic Macedonians 20%, Croatians 6.7%, Checho-Slovakians 13.3%.


———> The Greeks have almost the same percentage of Eu9-10-11 as the Italians do.

iii. Greco/Cretan-Phoenician EU4: 

——->Eu4 (Greco/Cretan-Phoenician)

b. The Eu4 genetical trait is also fairly common in the Middle East, the Balkans, the Eastern Mediterranean, and to a lesser extend in Turkey. To be more precise:

Turkey has 13.3%, Syria has 10%, Lebanon has 25.8%.

Greece has 22.4%, Albania has 21.6%, Calabria [Magna Grecia]13.5%,
FYROM has 15%, Croatia has 6.9%, Central & Northern Italy has 2.0%.

Sardinia 10.4%, France has 8.7%, and Catalania 4.2%.

From this haplotype’s low occurence in Syria, Turkey and the remainder of the Middle-East except from Lebanon, it can be inferred that this gene is not predominant there. It’s high occurence in Lebanon is a problem though.

Let us see, can we solve it through history?

Lebanon’s population is about 3,552,369 (1993 estimate). Most of the people are of Semitic descent. Other groups include Armenians and Palestinian Arabs . The principal religion is Islam; Shiites predominate, and Druze account for about 7 percent of the population. Christians make up about 25 percent of the population. 

Lebanon, once part of Phoenicia and Philistaea, was conquered by Rome in 64 BC. It was subsequently ruled by Roman and Byzantine powers and then by an Islamic caliphate after the 630s. 

From Encarta 98 Desk Encyclopedia

——–>Lebanon has a large Christian minority of 25%.
——–>Lebanon was once a part of Phoenicia & Philistaea.

Let us see, who are the Philistines?

Philistines, inhabitants of Palestine. They lived after about the 12th century BC on the coast of the Mediterranean Sea, southwest of Judea. According to the Old Testament, they came from Caphtor, which may be identified with Crete.

Encarta® 98 Desk Encyclopedia

———>Idomeneas King of Crete took part in the War of Troy along with the rest of the Greeks, ca. 1260 B.C. I don’t think that anybody can doubt that he was just as Greek as Menelaus and Agamemnon. The Linear B script tablets and the worship of Godess Athena that originated at Crete, is the most absolute proof of that.

Thus if the Philistines are Cretan Greeks, which they are, it is clear why Eu4 is found in abudance amongst the Christian population of Lebanon.

Historical evidence seems to suggest that the Eu4 haplotype is a haplotype which in recent history can be firmly associated with the Greeks. Indeed, today Greeks have 22.4% of this haplotype.

Its occurence in Turkey, Syria, the Balkans, and Magna Graecia [Calabria, Southern Italy] coincides with the Greek Expansion through the ages. It can be assumed that the Greeks were the original bearers of the Eu4 in Historical Times, and transmitted it in the areas which they heavily influenced.

It is perhaps ironic that the Albanians have the largest percentage of Eu4 outside Greece in Europe (21.6%). That not only shows that they were heavily influenced genetically by the Greeks, but agrees with ancient and medieval history as well.


———> The Eu4 haplotype which in what we call “Historical Times” can be associated with the Cretan Greeks through historical evidence, is the third dominant genetic influence of the Greeks (22.4%). It is also dominant in the Albanians (21.6%) a fact that clearly demonstrates the heavy genetic influence of the Greeks on the Albanians.

iv. EU19

——–>EU 19 (Common in Slavic-speaking Europe)

d. The Eu 19 is for the most part, more common in Slavic Europe.

EU 19 is virtually non-existent in Turkey and the Middle-East.

Chechoslovakia has 26.7%, Croatia has 29.3%, Poland has 56.4%, Ukrania has 54%, Greece has 11.8%, and Albania has 9.8%. 

Central & Northern Italia has 4.0%, Calabria (Magna Grecia) has 0%, France has 0%, Catalania has 0%.

Perhaps the result of numerous Slavic invasions in Greece, and close historical ties with Serbia and the Russians.

The Greeks have almost 12% of the Eu19 haplotype.

v. Eu7 & Eu 8 haplotype in Greece: 

——–>Eu7&Eu8 (Common in Germanic & Slavic countries):

e. Eu7 & Eu8 are most commonly found in the Germanic & Slavic countries.There is also a very large percentage of Eu7 in Finland, which has been interpreted as Germanic contribution to the Finnish gene pool.

Eu7 & Eu8 are virtually non-existent in Turkey and the Middle East.

Germany has 37.5%, Holland has 22.2%, Croatia has 44.8%, Poland has 20%, Ukraine has 18%, Chechoslovakia has 15.6%, FYROM has 20%, Albania has 19%, and Greece, Central & Northern Italy, and Calabria [Magna Grecia] have 8%. 

The remainder of Western Celtic & Roman Europe also have a very low perecentage of the Eu7 & Eu8 haplotypes.

As we see, Modern Greece and the rest of Celtic & Roman Europe have a low percentage of Germano-Slavic blood.

However the existense of Germano-Slavic Eu7 & Eu8 haplotypes in Greece along with the fact that it is also found in neighbouring SE Europe countries like Croatia, Serbia, FYROM, and Albania, seems to indicate and/or even suggest that in antiquity, the percentage of the Germano-Slavic Eu7 & Eu8 haplotypes in the Greek population was higher as well.

This 19% of the Eu7 & Eu8 haplotypes in Albania, is no doubt the reason that some Albanians think too highly of themselves, disregarding the rest of their Genetic Data as outlined above.

However, there is a more substantial presence of the Germano-Slavic Eu7 & Eu8 haplotypes in neighbouring Slavic countries, like Croatia (staggering 44.8%), Serbia (greater than 25%), FYROM (20%), so it would seem that if a people wanted to present themselves as Nordic, then the Yugoslavs would have more right to do so considering their dominant genetic characteristic of Germano-Slavic Eu7 & Eu8 haplotypes, than the Albanians for instance, who not only have the lowest percentage of genetic traits common in German and Slavic Europe, but also appear to be the Turks’ closest genetic kinsmen in Europe.


———–>a. Anthropological Data:

From the work of the foll. Anthropologists:

Ornella Semino, Giuseppe Passarino, Peter J. Oefner, Alice A. Lin, Svetlana Arbuzova, Lars E. Beckman, Giovanna De Benedictis, Paolo Francalacci,
Anastasia Kouvatsi, Svetlana Limborska, Mladen Marcikiæ, Anna Mika, Barbara Mika, Dragan Primorac, A. Silvana Santachiara-Benerecetti, L. Luca Cavalli-Sforza, Peter A. Underhill.

…As it appears here:…e/gene_legacy/…4308962001.gif


Published by the American Association for the Advancement of Science, with assistance of Stanford University’s HighWire Press
Copyright © 2003 by the American Association for the Advancement of Science.

————>b. Historical Data

i. From Microsoft Encarta 1998

Also consulted:

ii. University Of Cambridge UK, History of Ancient Civilisations



Vranje, Serbia: the oldest mammal remains found

Experts of the Geological Department of the Natural History Museum in Belgrade have discovered remains the oldest mammal in the Balkans in Buštranje village, near Vranje, Serbia

Researcher of the Department Milos Milivojevic said that the site was discovered by chance  after applying the so-called probes that indicated that there are remains of animals that are more than 35 million years old.

  – After the consultations with one of the foremost experts in this field, Professor Hans de Bruijin (Holland), who cooperated with dr Milojevic’ team  for ten years at various locations and excavations all over the Balkans, we have found out that what we found  are remains  of the most ancient animal that has ever been discovered in Southeast Europe

Researcher  Zoran Markovic also  says that a very significant fauna of small mammals was found, and that it already attracted  global attention.

Vranjanski sisar

– The discovered remains represent the transitional forms of the oldest parts of the tertiary, which is on the border between the Mesozoic and Cenozoic , and this are the earliest mammals found in this part of the world. – he says.

Stating that the most similar fauna was found in the opposite part of the world, in Pakistan,  Markovic hopes that the necessary detailed research will be done soon in order to obtain a complete picture of the findings.
The remains were found on private property of Bosko STOILJKOVIĆ, who gave his permission to perform the excavation.